September 19, 2006
08:04:08 * Now talking on #help
08:04:08 * Topic for #help is: The unofficial help channel for PokemonCrater and the network/services. For an IRC Client I'd recommend X-Chat 2 (www.silverex.org) || StyX's chat: #whitewillow || For further assistance visit the Offical SurrealChat help channel #Services (no idling in #services, legit questions only) non ops please idle
08:04:08 * Topic for #help set by Kichigai at Fri Sep 15 17:58:58 2006
08:04:09 -DaliBot- [#SurrealChat] Please turn off any automatic messages such as MP3 scripts. Thanks.
08:04:09 * DaliBot sets mode +a #help Kichigai
08:04:09 -DaliBot- [#help] [#help] Hello and welcome. Please observe the rules of this channel > No flooding, advertising, spamming: you may idle if you so wish. Please say the full name of Opers to attract their attention.
08:04:09 -DaliBot- [#help] [#help] !NOTICE! all. get your say in HOW THE NETWORK IS RUN. #SrSv is now open for drop in suggestions on how to improve SurrealChat for it's users.
08:04:09 -DaliBot- [#help] please also note: #help does not assist with channel bans! that is the prerogative of the people on the access list.
08:04:09 <mystery> hi
08:04:47 * You are now known as Kichigone|Class
08:04:53 <Kichigone|Class> Can I help you mystery?
08:05:01 <mystery> no thnks
08:05:05 <Kichigone|Class> Keep in mind, I *am* in class and will probably answer more slowly than usual.
08:05:15 <mystery> hey can i pm u?
08:05:40 <Kichigone|Class> No.
08:05:51 <mystery> ok i will ask u here
08:05:54 <mystery> ok?
08:05:57 <Kichigone|Class> That's the purpose of the channel.
08:06:26 <mystery> ok
08:06:40 <mystery> but i will ask u something for another channel
08:06:48 <Kichigone|Class> I probably can't help you then.
08:06:52 <Kichigone|Class> But go ahead.
08:06:56 <Kichigone|Class> Maybe you'll get lucky.
08:06:56 <mystery> ok
08:07:53 <mystery> well i created a new chan for help and i need ppl to help. and cuz u are an irc operator can joi that channel also?
08:07:57 <mystery> *join
08:08:04 <Kichigone|Class> Why do we need another help channel?
08:08:13 <Kichigone|Class> We already have two.
08:08:13 <mystery> ...
08:08:19 <Kichigone|Class> And they already function well.
08:08:21 <mystery> can u or not?
08:08:26 <Kichigone|Class> I can, but I won't.
08:08:32 <Kichigone|Class> I already work in two help channels.
08:08:32 <mystery> why?
08:08:35 <Kichigone|Class> We don't need a THIRD.
08:08:55 <mystery> anyway
08:09:03 <Kichigone|Class> I get enough stupid questions between the two already.
08:09:23 <mystery> ok
08:09:30 <Kichigone|Class> Why are you starting another help channel?
08:09:34 <Kichigone|Class> We tried three for a while.
08:09:41 <Kichigone|Class> The third one kind of fizzled out.
08:10:02 <mystery> mind won't...
08:10:06 <mystery> LoL
08:10:09 <Kichigone|Class> ...Sure.
08:10:15 <mystery> but i'm not joking!!!
08:10:18 <Kichigone|Class> Why are you making another help channel, though?
08:10:25 <mystery> yea
08:10:32 <mystery> i made it alrweady
08:10:44 <Kichigone|Class> ...
08:10:45 <Kichigone|Class> *already
08:10:51 <mystery> sorry
08:10:52 <Kichigone|Class> But WHY?
08:10:54 <Kichigone|Class> That's my question.
08:11:45 <mystery> i mean sorry that i wrote alrweady!!!
08:12:05 <Kichigone|Class> Please spell the words right.
08:12:20 <Kichigone|Class> And I meant: "Why are you creating ANOTHER help channel?"
08:12:47 <mystery> this is my new laptop and i am still learning it
08:12:58 <Kichigone|Class> ....
08:13:04 <Kichigone|Class> That still doesn't answer my question.
08:13:21 <mystery> i just want to create it!!!
08:13:26 <Kichigone|Class> Though it does explain the typos (been there)
08:13:31 <Kichigone|Class> But why?
08:13:40 <Kichigone|Class> It doesn't help the network to have such fractured services.
08:13:46 <Kichigone|Class> Why can't you just help people here?
08:14:04 <mystery> doesn't matter!!!
08:14:10 <Kichigone|Class> It does.
08:14:12 <mystery> i created it already know
08:14:16 <Kichigone|Class> *now
08:14:32 <Kichigone|Class> It does matter, because it's only going to confuse users.
08:14:35 * [mystery] (java-m42al@SCnet-C6A17DD1.cytanet.com.cy): http://www.surrealchat.net/chat/SurrealChat
08:14:35 * [mystery] is using modes +irx
08:14:35 * [mystery] is connecting from *@***.cytanet.com.cy ##.###.###.##
08:14:35 * [mystery] is a registered nick
08:14:35 * [mystery] #erry +#promotion #diaruga ~#football_rox ~#hilary_rox ~#ask #help
08:14:35 * [mystery] yuzuki.surrealchat.net :SCnet - Halca Leaf - Netherlands
08:14:35 * [mystery] End of WHOIS list.
08:14:39 <mystery> I told you it's my new laptop
08:14:50 <Kichigone|Class> Yes, but k is no where near n
08:15:47 <mystery> anyway there is a new channel who can help ppl
08:15:51 <mystery> nothing else!!!
08:16:12 <Kichigone|Class> But we already have two channels that do that.
08:16:18 <Kichigone|Class> One is official, one is not
08:16:23 <Kichigone|Class> They already cover all the bases.
08:16:39 <mystery> ok but i told you nothing gets hurt!!!
08:16:43 <mystery> *noone
08:16:47 <mystery> *no one
08:17:01 <Kichigone|Class> By attempting to compete with two fully developed help channels, stocked with staff, that are well known, you're assured to fail.
08:17:11 <Kichigone|Class> If you *really* want to help, just hang around here.
08:17:58 * mystery wonders y Kichigine cares for the channel that i created!!!
08:18:20 <Kichigone|Class> I'm just trying to help keep you from wasting your time.
08:18:37 <Kichigone|Class> I promise you, #ask will go the way of the #helpdesk
08:18:59 <mystery> what is #helpdesk?
08:19:05 <Kichigone|Class> That's my point.
08:19:08 <Kichigone|Class> It's long gone.
08:19:15 * *** Notice -- Received KILL message for mew!java-78g3w@SCnet-4C460CD6.hsd1.md.comcast.net from NickServ Path: hanashi!nascent!services!NickServ (Unauthorized nick use with KILL protection enabled.)
08:19:21 <Kichigone|Class> #helpdesk was supposed to be a users-helping-users thing.
08:19:37 <Kichigone|Class> It allowed idling, off-topic conversation, etc.
08:20:15 <Kichigone|Class> It never really took off.
08:20:23 <Kichigone|Class> Everyone just idled and ignored the channel.
08:20:29 <Kichigone|Class> No one ever really joined.
08:20:45 <mystery> Thank you for all your information but u won't make me change my mind
08:20:48 <Kichigone|Class> Fine.
08:21:07 <mystery> okz
08:21:14 <Kichigone|Class> >.<
08:21:17 * Kichigone|Class hates Javaese
08:21:31 <Kichigone|Class> So, here's a question.
08:21:39 <Kichigone|Class> How do you drop a nick?
08:21:40 <Dali> /NS DROP nick password
08:21:45 <Kichigone|Class> SHUT UP DALI!
08:22:00 <mystery> i know dali many times get stupid!!!
08:22:14 <Kichigone|Class> ....What?!
08:22:18 <mystery> nothing
08:22:21 <Kichigone|Class> that didn't make any sense.
08:22:24 <Kichigone|Class> At all.
08:22:34 <mystery> u wanted to ask me something???
08:22:49 <Kichigone|Class> How does one connect to the network using SSL?
08:22:55 * mystery doesn't speak Javaese
08:23:22 <Kichigone|Class> Yes, you do.
08:23:37 <mystery> well you think so!!!
08:23:49 <Kichigone|Class> It's a fact.
08:24:02 <mystery> so you wanted to ask something?
08:24:04 <Kichigone|Class> I did.
08:24:08 <Kichigone|Class> How does one connect to the network using SSL?
08:24:14 <Kichigone|Class> Please pay attention.
08:24:28 <mystery> i do
08:24:32 <Kichigone|Class> Apparently not.
08:24:41 <mystery> ...
08:24:47 <Kichigone|Class> Please stay on topic and answer the question.
08:24:56 <Kichigone|Class> It's what the people you'll be helping will expect.
08:25:46 <Kichigone|Class> Do you have an answer?
08:26:12 <mystery> hello which planet you come from??? no one knows everything!!! that's why i need ppl to give them status in there so they can answer things that someone else can't!!!
08:26:27 <Kichigone|Class> I come from Earth.
08:26:33 <Kichigone|Class> I used to own one of the servers.
08:26:33 <mystery> anyway
08:26:44 <mystery> ok
08:26:47 <Kichigone|Class> When you run a help channel, it's expected you'll know some of the SIMPLE answers.
08:26:53 <Kichigone|Class> That was an easy question.
08:26:56 <mystery> i know
08:26:58 <mystery> many
08:27:10 <mystery> ...
08:27:25 <Kichigone|Class> You don't just start a channel, not knowing anything, and rely on your staff for the expertise.
08:27:38 <Kichigone|Class> Hell, StyX started this one and helps out regularly.
08:27:41 <mystery> *really
08:27:49 <mystery> see!!!
08:27:51 <Kichigone|Class> All of the Staff are expected to know simple answers.
08:28:02 <Kichigone|Class> StyX started this channel, StyX knows things.
08:28:21 <mystery> but i very rearly see him around
08:28:34 <mystery> you told it too!!!
08:28:37 <mystery> ha
08:28:40 <Kichigone|Class> No, you're just no on when StyX is on.
08:28:46 <Kichigone|Class> I told what too?
08:28:50 <Kichigone|Class> You're not making any sense.
08:29:10 <mystery> nothing
08:29:14 <Kichigone|Class> ....
08:29:20 <mystery> i wanted to say it to another chan
08:29:30 <Kichigone|Class> So, do you have an answer to my question?
08:29:46 <mystery> which one
08:29:52 <Kichigone|Class> ....The only one I asked.
08:30:03 <mystery> u asked 2!!!
08:30:13 <Kichigone|Class> Please stop abusing my Language.
08:30:13 <mystery> u don't make sense!!!!
08:30:16 <Kichigone|Class> I hate Javaese
08:30:22 <Kichigone|Class> YOU aren't making sense.
08:30:30 <Kichigone|Class> Please stop abusing my language.
08:30:33 <mystery> i don't even know that language!!!
08:30:36 <Kichigone|Class> YES YOU DO.
08:30:45 <Kichigone|Class> It's the one I'm speaking right now, and the one you're butchering.
08:31:09 <Kichigone|Class> ENGLISH.
08:31:13 <Kichigone|Class> There is no English word "u"
08:31:24 <Kichigone|Class> English sentences begin with a capital letter.
08:31:30 <Kichigone|Class> You are speaking Javaese.
08:31:36 <mystery> u know what??!! i am not bound to answer your question!!!
08:31:41 <mystery> and i am fed up
08:31:53 <mystery> i will just igonre u
08:31:59 <mystery> *ignore
08:31:46 * Now talking on #ask
08:31:46 * Topic for #ask is: welcome to the unofficial channel for help. You can also join #help or #services if you don't find what you ask for
08:31:46 * Topic for #ask set by mystery at Sun Sep 17 14:26:02 2006
08:31:46 -GreekBot- [#ask] Hello and welcome. Please follow the rules of the channel. Flooding, advertising and spamming is N O T allowed!!! Anyone who won't observe the rules will get his self out of the channel!!!/1
08:31:46 -GreekBot- [#ask] to atract people attention you must type theur full name. ***If you can people then you are allowed to stay in #ask. But if you can not help others please type /part or even you are unuseless and you don't part you will get ban***
08:31:46 -GreekBot- [#ask] ***thank you for your choice to get help in #ask!!! Please come again***
08:31:53 <Kichigone|Class> How do you connect to the server using SSL?
08:32:18 <mystery> u know what??!! i am not bound to answer your question!!!
08:32:22 * GreekBot sets ban on *!*@Kichigai.ircop.SCnet.ops
08:32:23 * You have been kicked from #ask by GreekBot (Requested by mystery)
08:32:34 <Kichigone|Class> You know, if you're running a help channel, you will be.
08:32:56 <mystery> I will be what?
08:32:58 <Kichigone|Class> ...
08:33:04 <Kichigone|Class> Bound to answer people's questions.
08:33:16 <mystery> but you don't need help!!!
08:33:21 <Kichigone|Class> Please pay attention.
08:33:30 <mystery> and i don't know everything!!!
08:33:34 <mystery> what am I>?
08:33:39 <mystery> God???
08:33:44 <mystery> So..
08:33:44 <Kichigone|Class> If you're running a help channel, you'll be expected to know simple things.
08:33:50 <Kichigone|Class> Like connecting to a server with SSL.
08:34:02 <Kichigone|Class> Or how to do color.
08:34:07 <Kichigone|Class> Channel modes.
08:34:12 <Kichigone|Class> Dropping nicks.
08:34:13 <Kichigone|Class> Linking nicks
08:34:15 <mystery> i know color
08:34:18 <Kichigone|Class> Bans
08:34:19 <Dali> Bans are placed on addresses or address-masks
08:34:20 <mystery> chnnel modes
08:34:22 <Kichigone|Class> AKicks
08:34:24 <Dali> AKicks are generally perm
08:34:37 <Kichigone|Class> The policies of the local big channels.
08:34:46 <mystery> i know things!!!
08:34:52 <Kichigone|Class> What's +M?
08:35:25 <Kichigone|Class> What's Chanmode +M?
08:35:25 <mystery> and it's non of your bussines what i know!!!
08:35:37 <Kichigone|Class> I'm just giving you a sample of what to expect.
08:35:47 <B|afk> what
08:35:56 <B|afk> is going on
08:36:05 <Kichigone|Class> mystery started a help chan
08:36:06 <Kichigone|Class> #ask
08:36:15 <Kichigone|Class> I'm asking her some sample questions.
08:36:18 <B|afk> oh i see
08:36:29 <mystery> i am a male!!!
08:36:34 <B|afk> mystery somebody is really bugging me in PM what do i do
08:36:48 <mystery> what?
08:36:59 <Kichigone|Class> That'll be really common.
08:37:00 <mystery> oh
08:37:20 <mystery> i thought somebody is bugging u now!!!
08:37:22 <mystery> oh
08:37:22 <mystery> ok
08:38:04 <B|afk> ?
08:38:08 <Kichigone|Class> Your answer is/
08:38:09 <Kichigone|Class> ?
08:38:16 <mystery> is what?
08:38:22 <Kichigone|Class> Please pay attention.
08:38:29 <Kichigone|Class> The people you'll be helping will expect that.
08:38:35 <B|afk> <&B|afk> mystery somebody is really bugging me in PM what do i do
08:38:49 <Kichigone|Class> The fact he has to ask twice is kind of sad.
08:39:00 <B|afk> :(
08:39:27 <B|afk> lol
08:39:28 <B|afk> oh well
08:39:39 <B|afk> anyway lunchtime then probably drinking or smth
08:39:39 <B|afk> later guys
08:39:47 <Kichigone|Class> mystery, you still haven't answered his question.
08:40:11 <Kichigone|Class> He asked almost four minutes ago.
08:40:16 <Kichigone|Class> You should have answered by now.
08:40:58 * Kichigone|Class pokes mystery
08:41:07 <Kichigone|Class> Come on, this is an easy one.
08:41:12 <Kichigone|Class> Like braindead easy.
08:41:39 * Cannot join #ask (You are banned).
08:41:40 <mystery> back
08:41:44 <mystery> i went to the toilet
08:41:47 <Kichigone|Class> You should tell people when you leave.
08:41:54 <mystery> sorry
08:41:57 <Kichigone|Class> It's impolite to just disappear when people are asking you questions.
08:41:59 <mystery> well what u ask me?
08:42:02 <mystery> ???
08:42:02 <Kichigone|Class> OH MY GOD
08:42:06 <Kichigone|Class> Pay attention!
08:42:17 <mystery> oh got the question
08:42:19 <Kichigone|Class> He asked you twice.
08:42:28 <Kichigone|Class> Almost seven minutes ago.
08:42:40 <mystery> what u do when somebody is bugging u with pm
08:42:47 <Kichigone|Class> ...Yes
08:42:48 <Kichigone|Class> I know.
08:42:52 <Kichigone|Class> I remember when he first asked.
08:42:56 <mystery> the answer is /ignore nick
08:43:04 <mystery> isn't it?
08:43:04 <Kichigone|Class> And it only took seven minutes.
08:43:17 <Kichigone|Class> How do you deal with Crater bans?
08:43:18 <mystery> i left!!!
08:43:24 <Kichigone|Class> Well, say so.
08:43:28 <Kichigone|Class> He asked BEFORE you left.
08:43:37 <Kichigone|Class> [08:36] B|afk mystery somebody is really bugging me in PM what do i do
08:43:37 <Kichigone|Class> [08:36] mystery what?
08:44:14 <Kichigone|Class> So, my question.
08:44:18 <Kichigone|Class> Do you have an answer?
08:44:29 <mystery> yea
08:44:34 <Kichigone|Class> ...and it is?
08:44:44 <mystery> u wait untill ur unbanned
08:44:46 <mystery> hahaha
08:44:51 <Kichigone|Class> >.<
08:44:57 <Kichigone|Class> What did I say about the Javaese
08:44:59 <Kichigone|Class> ?
08:46:19 <Kichigone|Class> Do you know mIRC?
08:46:28 <Diarug[a]> back >>
08:46:32 * Diarug[a] is now known as Diaruga
08:46:34 <Kichigone|Class> wb
08:46:42 <Diaruga> ty
08:46:44 <Kichigone|Class> mystery, do you know mIRC?
08:46:49 <mystery> not really
08:46:54 <Kichigone|Class> What about XChat?
08:47:12 <mystery> not a thing!!!
08:47:20 <Kichigone|Class> irssi?
08:47:21 <Dali> irssi is scriptable.
08:47:26 * Kichigone|Class smacks Dali
08:47:35 <Kichigone|Class> mystery, irssi?
08:47:37 <mystery> but i got someone who knows for mirc lot!!!
08:47:45 <Kichigone|Class> What about Colloquy?
08:47:50 <mystery> will u stop it!???
08:48:04 <Kichigone|Class> You don't even know the basic IRC clients for your platform.
08:48:15 <Kichigone|Class> (Granted, Colloquy was kind of an odd-ball OS X client)
08:48:15 <mystery> i don't f******g care for your questions!!!
08:48:20 <Kichigone|Class> You better.
08:48:27 <Kichigone|Class> You're going to get questions about those clients in your chan.
08:48:49 <mystery> i will ignore u
08:48:50 <mystery> !!!
08:48:55 <Kichigone|Class> That's real bright.
08:49:03 <Kichigone|Class> Ignore the person who is showing you what you're getting into.
08:49:43 <Kichigone|Class> Oh, FYI: You can't access the server via SSL in Java. You CAN access the server using SSL through X-Chat using /sslserver irc.surrealchat.net 7001
08:49:56 <Kichigone|Class> Not sure how to do it in mIRC, but I know you require an add-on.
08:50:33 <Kichigone|Class> Colloquy has a similar system, and I think irssi uses a -ssl option.
08:50:43 <mystery> will u stop
08:50:44 <mystery> !!!
08:50:45 <Kichigone|Class> Why.
08:50:53 <Kichigone|Class> You're in our channel.
08:51:04 <Kichigone|Class> These are things you should know.
08:51:09 <mystery> i am fed up with our stupid questions!!!
08:51:16 <Kichigone|Class> That was an answer to my own question.
08:51:21 * mystery (java-m42al@SCnet-C6A17DD1.cytanet.com.cy) has left #help (gosh i am fed up!!!)
08:51:24 <Kichigone|Class> :/
08:51:26 <Kichigone|Class> n00b
08:52:25 * Incorrect has quit (Ping timeout)
08:52:39 * Incorrect (Radiohead@SCnet-4230E7D3.zoominternet.net) has joined #help
08:52:39 * DaliBot gives channel half-operator status to Incorrect
08:54:26 * mystery (java-m42al@SCnet-C6A17DD1.cytanet.com.cy) has joined #help
08:56:24 <Kichigone|Class> Back?
08:56:41 <mystery> yea
08:56:41 * *** erry (errietta@***.adsl.forthnet.gr) did a /whois on you.
08:56:47 <Kichigone|Class> Can I help you?
08:56:55 <mystery> no
08:56:56 * [erry] (errietta@SCnet-73F81D0C.adsl.forthnet.gr): Errietta
08:56:56 * [erry] is using modes +irx
08:56:56 * [erry] is connecting from *@***.adsl.forthnet.gr ##.#.###.###
08:56:56 * [erry] is a registered nick
08:56:56 * [erry] %#ask %#diaruga ~#overseer %#pinoys ~#erry
08:56:56 * [erry] kage.surrealchat.net :SurrealChat.net - Shadow leaf (Netherlands)
08:56:56 * [erry] idle 00:00:41, signon: Tue 08:40:01
08:56:56 * [erry] End of WHOIS list.
08:57:02 <Kichigone|Class> Here to offer help?
08:57:06 * Cannot join #ask (You are banned).
08:57:35 <Kichigone|Class> ...well?
08:57:42 <mystery> yea
08:57:54 <Kichigone|Class> K.
08:58:07 * *** mystery (java-m42al@***.cytanet.com.cy) did a /whois on you.
